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Anyone who’d like to follow the story, I’m still posting at LiveJournal.
See you there! 🙂
This week has been odd for me. Knowing that T and I are both dating J and we’re apparently going to give this poly thing another go is strange in some ways. In some ways, it’s a weird sort of relief. Almost like everything is ok, and realistically, it seems ok right now. T isn’t having panic attacks, J is happier and more relaxed about everything. Boundaries are being maintained.
I have this odd thing though. I’m great in a crisis or a high-stress situation. Afterwards, I fall apart. All the emotional responses I didn’t allow myself come swarming through and there’s no control to them because I’ve stopped guarding them so tightly.
This week, I think I’ve had every emotion I held back on just smack me around like a tether ball. I’ve had this feeling of being positive that J was going to leave me, all over again. That despite his assurance right in front of me and T that he wasn’t going to do that and that he didn’t want to lose me. I’ve felt disconnected and forgotten, because J and I have managed to have one night together this week, and little contact outside that night. On my way to his place, J let me know that he was going to go see T before I arrived. By the time I got there I was in tears from the anxiety that was just tearing through me. I was terrified that T wouldn’t let us have the night together, that she’d upset J and he wouldn’t be able to calm down enough to enjoy our time, that he would still be tense and nervous because he has been for a while when I was there.
The fears were pointless. T just wanted to see him for a minute before I got there. No worry, no problem. J was not only relaxed, but amazingly affectionate, more than he has been in a long time. Turned out all my fear was rooted in the past. That isn’t totally unreasonable, except that I was the one making it hard to relax because once he told me everything was fine, I started feeling nauseous because my nerves let go. Way to go, self.
J is coming over to see me tomorrow and staying the night. He may be staying Sunday as well, but we haven’t nailed that down just yet. He’s constantly telling me he wants much more time with me, that once a week is just not enough for him. He also said that our plans to move in together later this summer are still on. So all my fears about losing him seem pretty pointless, too.
I ended up posting a lot about this emotional upheaval on a poly forum I frequent and got some great advice. The parts that stuck out most to me are summed up as:
– Don’t be afraid to ask for what you need, or to expect to be heard and have those needs met.
– Cut yourself some slack, but pay attention to your own mental processes. The ones you’re in are formed in the past and will take you all back there.
– Find something else to do when you’re not with J. Stop thinking about what he’s doing or whether he’s with T or not!
All in all, great advice, and a lot of understanding and supportiveness. It helped and I got my head redirected.
I also talked to T. Sunday I was around that neighborhood and she came out to meet me and we spent about two hours talking. She told me she was terrified I’d think she was just biding time and waiting to “get her way” and take J away, but that wasn’t what she wanted to do at all. She’s not positive that she can handle a poly relationship, but she’s trying again with that in mind. It was a good talk, really. It was a bit strained, which is to be expected I guess, after all that has happened. The funny part of it was that as I was leaving I found out I had a flat tire. I called T and she came back, took me to get a can of fix a flat (that tire was NOT coming off!) Then she followed me home to be sure nothing went wrong on my way and we ended up hanging out at my place for another hour. When I called her to ask her to come back and help me out, and when we were at my place, it was a much more natural interaction level, more like we used to be, and that was nice. I haven’t heard from her since then, so I guess she’s been busy or something. My first thought is “She doesn’t really want to talk to me.” That’s a little silly though, I think. I think that in reality we’re both kind of on edge right now and not wanting to step on one another’s toes.
So, it’s not “good” at this point, but it’s good enough. We have a lot of distance to go for any of us to have it “good” again. We’ve all been hurt and we’re all a bit guarded about the situation right now. I think we’re all trying to do things differently this time, and we’re all taking advantage of not living together so we have time and space for ourselves. To expect that everything will be “good” right this minute isn’t realistic. I’ll take good enough, and everyone putting in effort to find stable ground with one another again.
On that note, maybe I need to invite T to hang out this weekend at some point, or just to meet up with me once a week to have coffee or something. I don’t know that we’ll get back to being “best friends” again, but we can at least work on being comfortable around one another and achieving some sort of companionable level of interaction. I’m the more outgoing in that respect, so rather than wait for her, I’ll drop the suggestion to her in the next few days and see what she says.
So, J and I got back together. We spent Valentine’s Day together. That was interesting, what with T calling non-stop and J leaving at one point in the middle of dinner to go out to tell her that he was through with her. That was really interesting as he’d told me they broke up before we got back together. Yeah, he lied. turned out, he lied, a lot.
It’s been a really bizarre couple of weeks. There have been emails between me and T. There have been fights on every front. There was basically a bomb going off and we were all getting nuked.
I emailed and asked T and J to meet with me today, at my place. I said that we needed to all talk.
J didn’t like that at all. In short, he’s been a real ass this last week. He woke up with me this morning, apologizing. We talked and finally he heard how afraid I’ve been, how hurt, how feeling left behind, and so on. I’d told him, but this time he heard.
The talk happened this afternoon. What a mess that was, sorting through. However, once it was done, we all felt better. Initially, T said that she had realized she was monogamous, and wasn’t willing to do anything but be friends with me and J anymore. I did suggest that we all hold off on making any decisions about anything right now, take a little time to think, because J had said that he wasn’t sure what he was thinking or feeling. T just wasn’t game to consider trying though. Given that it looked like things were over for the two of them, I gave them a few minutes to talk alone. Then J came out and asked me to rejoin them. When I did, T asked me what I’d meant when we were talking and I asked if she was sure she wasn’t poly, or if it was the situation, and what did I think it would look like if she and J and me and J were dating still.
We talked a little more, set up some ground rules, based on the past failures, threatened J with death, destruction and dismemberment if he doesn’t get on that learning curve like it’s the most important thing in the world, and we even talked about being aware of RRE (renewed relationship energy/make-up energy) and not hurting or leaving anyone out because of it. The biggest thing, I think, was that T and I agreed, no more venting about J to one another, ever, and J agreed no more venting to either of us about the other. Problems stay in the relationship that’s having them and the other person comes in to mediate ONLY if both parties ask it. Also, no one says anything to create a restriction on the other relationships. This is a trial period, it needs to be free to form or not. One of the things that came out during the conversation is that J isn’t really sure what he wants right now.
So, they’ve gone home now, and J is coming back to see me tomorrow. I’ve set them up to read Polyamory: A Roadmap for the Clueless and Hopeful, as first assignment. And we are all supposed to talk about it as it’s read. I’ve read the book. I hope they can get through it given my tendency to make notes in certain types of books.
We’ll see what happens. This is certainly a better place than we’ve been since before all this started last year. Right now, it’s clean. Everything is in the open. We each know where each other is, and isn’t. We have our ground rules. We have our boundaries. It could be just as bad as last time. It could still mean an end to both mine and T’s relationships with J. It could mean, for me, that J will decide he’s monogamous and wants to be with T. Whatever it means, we’re going to try to get there while keeping things clean, so that whatever comes out of it, we can get through it with a minimum of hurt. It’s a good place to be after the turmoil of the past year.
For an amusement point, when J and T were leaving, we did the group hug thing. J dropped his head down and went straight for buring his face in our chests. It made she and I laugh… a lot.
So help me though, once they left, all I could think was, “Dear gods, I can’t make this shit up!”
Yes, I know I promised a post weeks ago. I just didn’t have it in me to make one. So much has happened now, I’m not truly sure where to even begin.
I don’t like admitting that I’m not all I want to be cracked up to be. I don’t like admitting that I have faults. I know they’re there, mind you, I just don’t like naming them and admitting them. I really don’t like admitting to having a faulty thought process. My mind is my most valuable possession. If it’s not working properly, or as required of me, I tend to begin to feel as if my entire being is flawed and that there is nothing worthwhile here. Yes, I am aware that this pattern is a flaw as well. Right now, I’m not liking myself much at all. I’m working on it, but damned if this was an unexpected repair job to pull on myself. I feel rather like a moron for even needing it. I hate the very word jealousy. It’s a pointless thing, you see. As I’ve said before, as other polyamorists have said before, it’s an umbrella term used to cover a lot of other emotions, thoughts and unmet/unspoken needs. I have been absolutely devoured with jealousy this past few weeks. Part of it is at least understandable, if somewhat unfounded. Most of it isn’t founded in anything but old insecurities and wounds that are popping up for me. A fair amount of it is that I had some very certain ideas of how all this was going to happen and how it would look and function; and damn it all but J and T are humans with their own thoughts, desires and ideas about how things should be. Their ideas and needs and so on have made a mess of my pretty little mantelpiece family photo! How rude and inconsiderate of them! (Right?) So, what am I being jealous about? T and J, I apologize, I know I haven’t talked to you about this very plainly. I’m a bit embarrassed and ashamed of myself for even feeling this way. I need a cute kitten picture that screams “Do Not Like!” Lately I’ve been very jealous about time. It has seemed that J spends his evenings with T actually being with her, enjoying her being with him. When he and I have time together, he falls asleep. This has been going on for about a month. So in this case, the jealousy isn’t totally unfounded, but it is there. As I know that jealousy is that umbrella term, the real responses there are that I find that when this happens, I feel unimportant and uninteresting to J. I don’t “blame” T for it, but I find myself envying her for being “more interesting” and “more fun” to be around. Then I go sit alone while they have their time and stare into space and let myself sink lower and lower until I am close to tears. When J falls asleep the instant we’re alone, I find myself becoming agitated and unhappy and even angry at times. I feel “cheated” and I’ve realized that the refrain in my mind in this situation is “again.” It whispers at me, “He’s not going to spend time with you, again,” or “He’s all energetic about seeing her, again.” Any number of configurations that seem designed to make me unhappy about the situation and that keep my mind dwelling on the things I’m not getting. I realized how bad it was getting when J spent the evening with me yesterday. We both ended up staying up until well past midnight. Most of the evening we just stretched out on my bed watching a movie. (J has been sick lately.) J rested his hand on me, occasionally kissed my shoulder, held me close to him, and all I could do was fight with myself because my mind wanted to stay focused on how he wasn’t touching me and how much time we don’t get together. I was right there, with J feeling so sick he really didn’t want to do much and still reaching out and being affectionate with me, and I couldn’t keep my mind off of all the reasons to be unhappy! That’s when I realized I needed to stop and just be honest with myself. This morning, T tells me that she and J had already talked about the sleeping schedule for the weekend. Before she could say anything I felt that sinking feeling drawing me back down into the dark and lonely places. I knew that it was the weekend and he’d be with her “again” and I’d have to figure out what to do with myself and let go of the idea of him being with me again until Monday. Bearing in mind, this isn’t some sort of “pattern” that has been established. In fact, it has only happened a couple of times where J spent an entire weekend with T. When T told me that they’d decided that since Sunday is hers, she had suggested he stay with me tonight, I couldn’t even respond. I was taken so by surprise, and not because J or T are “mean” to me, but because I’ve allowed myself to sell myself the idea that J doesn’t really want to be with me and that T doesn’t care about my relationship with J. Oh, my mind is a beautiful thing, it really is. It convinced me of all that without any real evidence to support those thoughts. The realities are, J wants to be with me. He loves me and misses having time with me when we don’t get to have time together. Yes, he falls over in a pile of roughly J-shaped clothing when he’s with me rather often. This is because he trusts me to understand the stresses he’s been facing and to be supportive of him, because I always have been. If T weren’t part of the equation, I wouldn’t be so upset about this, and that’s always a good litmus test for a poly relationship when someone starts feeling insecure. “Would this be the case if it were just the two of us?” Honestly, if it were just the two of us, it might be worse. J confides deeply in me, and trusts me to be understanding of his needs and the state of his mind. He trusts me so much, he doesn’t even question it. If he needs to have a very quiet, stress-free time, then I should at least be secure enough by this stage to provide that and to enjoy the time I have instead of worrying about what I don’t have. I have been able, in the past couple of weeks, to get over the idea that T is out to hurt me or to push me aside. The problems that led to this jealousy thing happening weren’t T’s doing. They were J’s doing, and my own doing. That helps, and seeing T as an ally instead of a threat is an infinitely better way of living in this household. But what on earth is leaving me so bound up with the idea that J doesn’t want me? I mean, these thoughts cover everything from “He doesn’t love me” to “I’m too old and ugly for him now.” I’ve had to do a lot of thinking on this. The problem stem from, I am certain, my last ex. I barely survived that one. He was deeply passive-aggressive, and would withdraw affection and hold it hostage to get me to do what he wanted. When we parted, he was not kind about it at all. I had thought those wounds were pretty well healed, but I was not correct in that assessment of the damages. Feeling unwanted isn’t about J or T in this case; it’s about that ex and the many ways he convinced me I was not worthwhile. I feel like a complete noob right now. I should know better than to let things like this take me over. Sometimes I really dislike being human. So, reality stepping in: Yes, J and I have been struggling on the intimacy front. We’re working on it. I need to accept what is and stop worrying so much about what isn’t or what I think someone else is getting that I’m not. I need to appreciate the time we’re together and find the off switch for those voices that keep telling me all about what I’m not getting. I need to stop comparing what happens with T and what happens with me when we’re with J. Reality: I have been with J for years. He’s not going to be acting like a guy who just fell face first into love with me because he didn’t. That was years ago. If the situation were reversed, I’d be as love struck with a new metamour as he is, and that’s OK because it has no bearing on his feelings for me. I need to appreciate the peace and security that has come with a long-term relationship. I’ve always wanted this. I’ve always wanted someone who was “here to stay” and who I could be comfortable in the presence of. Someone I didn’t have to be “on queue” for but who I could just sit quietly in a room with if the mood so struck us. I have that with J. I need to stop letting myself sulk (and that’s what it is) over the fact that we got here, and let myself continue to enjoy this as I have for the past few years. (On a side note, T has made comments about feeling similarly because she and J aren’t there. We girls can’t win for losing sometimes, right? I find the viewpoint amusing, honestly.) I need to just relax and not kick myself so much. I’ve seen the problem and can handle it. I just don’t like being so petty and so dissatisfied when I know, rationally, that there’s no real reason for it.
Tonight was a surprise night for me. Not all the surprises were pleasant, but even that yielded a pleasant surprise or three.
I asked J last night if he’d be willing to spend tonight with me as I’ve only been with him two nights this week. He told me that he wanted to spend tonight alone, to himself. I planned on sleeping in the living room so he could play games as much as he liked without keeping me awake. As it turned out, he didn’t spend time alone tonight and didn’t tell T that he wanted to, so they spent the evening together. I was really sad about that, and felt pretty left out and confused all evening. When he was ready for bed, it turned out that T had asked him to stay with her tonight, and he had agreed to. It felt like a double smack in the face, to be honest. First to be told that he didn’t want to be with me, that he wanted to be alone, and then to hear that he’d changed his plans and was going to be with T instead.
Honestly, I wanted to just sit down and cry about it. I really felt rejected. I felt worse than rejected, I felt jilted.
Instead, I removed myself from the situation. I went outside, fought down the tears, and reminded myself that tomorrow, J is taking me out for lunch at “our place.” It was his idea to take me out, I didn’t ask him for it, he told me that he wanted to do this. Whatever spurred the decisions he made tonight about not spending the night gaming, and about staying with T after telling me no, it is *not* a message that he doesn’t want me. No, it wasn’t terribly considerate of him, but it wasn’t a commentary on what I’m worth to him, and I let that fact just sort of settle in on me.
When I went back in, he was already tucked into bed. T was waiting as we had planned to take a walk and go to Starbucks together. I admit that at first, I had to force it, but I put a smile on my face and off we went. I’m so glad that I did.
T is great company, firstly. While she doesn’t like to talk about the issues that J and I face, she isn’t without understanding, or compassion. I really didn’t have to say much of anything, but she did mention that the confusion is uncomfortable for her as well. Then we fought to change the topic, to talk about something other than J.
To say that we succeeded is to make a massive understatement. We talked about what we want out of life, what leads to feeling fulfilled and proud of living. We talked about why we each stay. We talked about the discoveries she and I have both made about ourselves, as well. I won’t share what she said, that will be up to her, but we’re staying for similar reasons.. we both recognize that we’re growing and learning here.
Among the things that I told her was that I’ve realized that I am still reacting to wounds that were left on me by an ex. Among these are that any time J doesn’t reach for me, it means he doesn’t want me. The reality is, that’s not the message J is giving. J isn’t giving any message, honestly. The ex though, he wielded my love for him and my desire to be near him like a weapon. Any perceived offense and he would withdraw utterly, even to forbidding me to touch him. By perceived offense, I mean things like… I cooked dinner but he didn’t want a full meal (and hadn’t told me so). The slightest things would send him into this routine of witholding affection. I realized I’ve been responding to J as if he were that ex, and I’ve been doing it a lot. I hadn’t realized that the wounds were even still there, much less that they were causing me so much pain in the present, and I’ve been working on the healing for them.
The conversation went through the evening as a trip to have coffee turned into a trip to the bookstore where I found and bought her a bookmark for her birthday. It’s a pretty thing, silver with ribbons and a quote about living life each day. Amusingly, the conversation on the way home was about how much we both want to be free to just live life. When I gave it to her at home, she was happily surprised at the gift and the coincidence of the conversation.
The sweetest moment of the evening came on the walk home though. I stopped to smell a flowering tree. I commented that the flowers smelled like vanilla. T smelled some and agreed. We stood there for a moment, just smelling the flowers. Then I decided to pull off a cluster of them for her. When I turned to give them to her, she was in the process of pulling flowers off the tree to give to me!
I feel much… safer.. now that she and I had a chance to talk and spend time together. I feel like I still have a friend who cares for me. I feel like I’m not the only one who feels afraid of everything blowing up, but who is willing to put in the work to give things a valid chance. I feel that we’re hearing one another.
… and I can’t get over those flowers and the moment when we realized we were each picking flowers for the other. That was possibly the sweetest and happiest moment in weeks between she and I.
Polyamory is hard work. It can also be painful work. It can be the most emotionally exhausting, mentally demanding thing you ever attempt. It can also become a place of safety, understanding, compassion and of healing. It can blow up and crush everyone involved, or it can be fertile soil and allow everyone to grow and become so much more than they ever thought possible.
There’s truth to all of that, about polyamory. There’s also truth to all of that about monogamous relationships. There’s also truth to that about a close friendship. The difference isn’t the format or depth or style of the relationship, it’s the people in the relationship.
I don’t care if your relationships are poly, monogamous, platonic, or whatever else. If you’re not willing to put in effort, the day will come when they will fail. If the person or people in your relationships with you are not willing to put in effort, the relationships will fail.
So far, this adventure of ours has been running for 10 weeks. In that time I think all 3 of us have felt, overlooked, used, hurt, neglected, unloved, over-pressured, and ready to walk out on at least one count each. So why haven’t we? Why are we still here?
I can’t speak for J and T. I hope that they’ll have something to say and decide to log in and say it themselves. I can say why it is that I stay, though.
A large part of me staying is the fact that J and I have been in one another’s lives for so long. When the entire world walked out, he walked in. When I was left utterly, and truthfully alone, he reached out for my hand and helped me find my feet again. True, to much of the world this will sound like I’m somehow co-dependent and J and I are in the most screwed up relationship ever. It’s just not like that and I think that it’d have to be seen in person to understand. The fact is, of all the people in the world, he and I are the ones who have always been there for one another, no matter what came down the road at us. We love one another. It’s not friendship that draws either of us to step forward for the other when there is a crisis, it’s love, and a long-standing, barely spoken commitment that neither of us will ever walk alone in this world. Because of this, I stay with him, even when I want nothing more than to literally walk out the door and hear that satisfying “click” as it closes behind me for the last time. As I’ve said to J, “Where would I go anyway? There’s nothing out there for me, and all I do is wander around getting hurt for a few years and come back to you.”
I also stay because J and I have made that commitment to one another. It’s as real and as deep as a marriage commitment. We stay together, no matter what. He still thinks of me, he told me a few days ago, as his wife. I always thought of his as my husband. We are “the old married couple.” Whether anyone else likes how things look between us or not, that’s what it is… and while I know we look like we’re dysfunctional, we both grow and learn, and love together. It’s really hard right now, and I’m honestly worn out from it, but I am learning, and I am growing, and I am loving him more and more. I think he stays because of the same reasons, or some that are similar.
I stay because I love T, very much in fact. I find myself missing her in the middle of the work day, in the night when I’m alone, in the morning when I leave for work, and so much of the time that I barely know sometimes who it is that I’m going home for. I stay because for all that we’ve known one another for such a short time, she is my friend. Yes, it looks ugly for us right now. Show me another close friendship that would endure learning how to transition from platonic friends to a poly household without taking some nasty knocks. When J and I went through our own hells last fall and again this spring, T was there for me. When she and her ex split up, and when he was mistreating her, I was there for her. When my friend betrayed us all, she and I stood together and faced the challenge it brought. T and I have a strange synchronicity that just plays out where we work together on anything. Our strengths complement one another. We also have lots of fun together. One of the things I enjoy most about T is that when we’re alone, I feel as if I finally have a playmate! There’s someone who will be silly and goofy with me, and not judge me for being the same.
I was also given a reminder of a few things about T that are part of why I love her. This weekend, there was a fight, and by the end of it I was not only stating my wants and needs, but precisely why I had them, precisely how much I wanted and needed. I started to apologize for being too demanding. T stopped me from it and told me that I’d been making her feel far more relieved by standing up for myself, and that I’d been doing a wonderful job of it. She always wants to see everyone using their strengths when needed, to see no one afraid to admit their thoughts, wants, needs, hopes, or dreams. She’s also very good at seeing when I’m shooting myself in the tail and pointing out that I’m “doin it again.” I admit to having a nice strong guilt complex and it’s helpful to me to have someone who is willing to say “Hey, you’re doing that thing again” because it makes me more aware than I’m capable of on my own.
Sometimes, I know that I feel what would be termed by many as “jealousy.” (I hate that word, it’s a cop-out and a way to not look honestly at the emotions within or their roots.) But I am beginning to learn to even welcome that sensation as it causes me to look carefully at things. It’s helping me, too. I am seeing so many things that J and I have done that just aren’t the best patterns for a relationship. I think he’s been seeing them, as well. The discomfort would have been either unnoticed, or glossed over, for years between us and who knows but that it could have split us apart in the end. Now, in this environment, we are being forced to look at one another and to really see the things we’ve done that sell one another short. We’re seeing the ways we fail to show respect and caring to one another, and learning how to change those ways. We’re learning new ways to open up to one another and new ways to share our love.
I stay, and despite the levels of frustration that sometimes leave me ready to leap out a window to get away, I stay because I recognize, I’m growing here. Painful or stressful, or not, I am in a fertile environment. I am loved, respected, wanted, and encouraged. I am trying to make sure that I give the same to J and T both, so that they also have the support needed to grow, and the love and acceptance to know that I value them both, deeply.
Polyamory is hard work, but the rewards are, for me, worth making, and holding, the commitment to stay and continue the work.